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I've always been interested in mathematics, particularly as it relates to things in the real world.

Something that I've always wondered about is: Would it be possible to use maths to predict the actions of groups of people, or even individuals (in a general fashion).

Say for example, you knew that person X was of primary personality type R, you could predict within certain delimiters how they'd react in a given situation. The more personality variables that were known, the more accurate a prediction could be.

And of course, it would be helped by working closely with psychologists, particularly to establish personality variables and ranges of action.

Oh well, I'll add that to the list of possible research topics if I ever become wealthy enough to be able to fund it.

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Date: 2003-10-17 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brindy.livejournal.com
I think the answer is yes. I'm sure people do this already, for marketing reasearch and stuff like that. Have you had a look on t'internet for something about this?

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Date: 2003-10-17 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nadriel.livejournal.com
No, not yet. Wouldn't surprise me though- in my last ponderings, it turned out I'd posited the way time is seen in the General Theory of Relativity...

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Date: 2003-10-17 02:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
... but more by luck than judgment.

-Seth-Ra the Everliving.

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Date: 2003-10-17 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nadriel.livejournal.com
True, true. But then all of these ponderings are only random- at least until I have so much money that I can afford to sponsor research into them...

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Date: 2003-10-17 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidnm.livejournal.com
Umm ... speaking as someone who's done some psychology at A-Level, the best I can come up with is 'to an extent'.
To phrase it another way ... huge numbers of people do tend to behave certain statistically-predicatble patterns of behaviour - an example, there are 60m people in Great Britain, most of whom wear clothes. However, you always get exceptions - example, those occasional streakers at big sports events.
Essentially, the problem with forecasting human behaviour is that of demand characteristics; when you do the research upon which to base your maths, you have to do it in such a way that the research itself doesn't prompt a particular kind of behaviour - you want people acting as naturally as possible, so as to correspond to how they actually do behave. And finding ways to control for this experimental bias are one of the biggest nightmares in social science. It's why psychologists don't seem to bother much with error bars - you'd rarely be able to wrestle the b***ers down *as far* as 10%, let alone to the point where you actually have a reliable set of conclusions.
Essentially, no model is ever better then the data that went in, and people can be a bloody pain when they put their minds to it.

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Date: 2003-10-17 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyravenette.livejournal.com
You need to get out of the lab a bit more, mate. Seriously.

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Date: 2003-10-17 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Take your labs to the people, share them, specifically the radioactive bits of the labs, and the stupid people...

-Seth-Ra the Everliving.

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Date: 2003-10-17 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nadriel.livejournal.com
He'd love to- you should hear him on the subject of labs...

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Date: 2003-10-17 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suoyletamitlu.livejournal.com
From my, abstract and befuddled armchair, absolutely. Problem is you can't do it for real people but only imaginary ones. I intend, in my lifetime/career/imagination if nothing else, to create a huga-f*cking-mungus megasim that works with human behavior on basic levels, based on the computer 'learning' to act human. Things like, if it has things to do, like eating or sleeping or homework, it gives priority but first it has to find a way, and if it gets sidetracked, it gets sidetracked, and if its idle, it may do stupid things to find out what happens. Kinda like humanity.

Its hard to explain. I imagine it will be hard to code. I tried, but I dont have the patience, I never did. But I intend to. Someday. :wistful look:

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Date: 2003-10-19 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creepy-doll.livejournal.com
I would definitely say that predicting people's behaviour (not just from their personalities but from their gender & from their general human being-ness) is something that is worked out & mused upon for many different things by many different factions. Heck, even supermarkets place their products strategically based on the predictabilty of people!

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